Slidge - XMPP gateways - 2025-04-24

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> In matridge? Yes. Matrix does not have a concept of a dedicated 1:1 room for a contact (or the concept of a contact at all, really). Bifrost fakes it by picking a room to treat as the 1:1, but I think the way slidge handles it by not pretending is less prone to breaking Right. Curious if it would be possible to implement omemo on the xmpp side and then re-encrypt to matrix E2EE ↺

Still not fully encrypted, but would still be good I think. Guess slidge itself needs to support omemo first

hey all I took some days off from slidge support and I'm feeling extremely lazy to read the backlog, feel free to ping me =)

projectmoon, I think the benefits of doing OMEMO from client to server are really limited, and would substantially increase slidge's complexity

AFAIK, the server would always be able to decrypt stuff, which defeats the whole point of e2ee?

You could run your own slidge and still not have to trust neither your XMPP server nor your contacts' Matrix servers

Agreed on the *substantial* complexity though; might be too much for something like slidge

rolling your own slidge is not really possible without rolling your own XMPP server anyway

and if you have slidge running, might as well throw in prosody into the mix, it's not going to make a lot of difference :)

Right

It would still let you avoid trusting your contacts' Matrix servers though?

badrihippo I saw you talking about mattermost in xsf@, are you aware that matteridge is a thing? just saying, in case you want to try it out ;)

> It would still let you avoid trusting your contacts' Matrix servers though? that's already supported, if you do the emoji verification thing I think? ↺

it's not deeply tested *at all* though, so it may be buggy

Oh! Then that's fine I guess. I don't use Matrix myself so didn't realise that was already there 😅

> badrihippo I saw you talking about mattermost in xsf@, are you aware that matteridge is a thing? just saying, in case you want to try it out ;) Oh nice! I'm not using Mattermost at the moment (was using Matterbridge then) but good to know ↺

Is there anything similar for Nextcloud Talk?

> Is there anything similar for Nextcloud Talk? not yet! ;) ↺

I'm not going to do it, but hey, I'd be excited if someone did it

> AFAIK, the server would always be able to decrypt stuff, which defeats the whole point of e2ee? the XMPP server would have to decrypt the incoming OMEMO message and then re-encrypt to matrix, yes. so there is a point in time where it can be intercepted. the benefit, which may not be worth the drawbacks, is that the gateway can be run in a more secure place under the control of the admin. and the xmpp server itself would not be able to see the messages coming in and out. it would contain the messages only within the gateway. i would classify it as one of those things that is an overall net gain, but if there was a backlog, would be one of those things that gets kicked down the road repeatedly :) ↺

I'd be more thrilled to support https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/gateway-relayed-encryption.html for proper e2ee, but yeah, definitely not a priority

didn't know that existed. that would be better, yes

so that would use the native encryption mechanism of the gateway-ed network?

I've been working on a laaaaaarge refactor of the storage layer for slidge core v0.3, with a focus a maintainability, and hopefully nice perf benefits, that is my priority right now FWIW

> didn't know that existed. that would be better, yes well it's not even accepted yet, and requires specific client support ↺

> Is there anything similar for Nextcloud Talk? Isn't nextcloud talk xmpp too? ↺

maybe in a not so distant future…

nextcloud talk is its own thing. but the nextcloud people have a habit of implementing open standards

their social network thingy talks activitypub apparently

Yeah, I was hoping they'd use XMPP for NextCloud Talk but no hope of that; apparently they thought it'd be too "complex" for ordinary NextCloud selfhosters to set up or something

Oh you're right

trying to set up attachments. nginx is reporting file not found errors because it's trying to load the image with `mxc://` in the path directly, but the directory has been created on the filesystem with `mxc%3A`

is there a way to adjust it?

I have seen that there is no more slidcord package on pypi. You can always use the codeberg package, but the the installation with pipx need a little trick; you have to pass the URL of the codeberg repo as the pip argument `extra-repo-url` due to the need of setuptools.

weirdly, the GET request is for `/slidge//mxc%3A//, but nginx tries to open `slidge/attachments//mxc:/`.

> trying to set up attachments. nginx is reporting file not found errors because it's trying to load the image with `mxc://` in the path directly, but the directory has been created on the filesystem with `mxc%3A` that looks like a bug ↺

this might be an issue with nginx itself

there are some things regarding behavior of its url decoding, which i am currently reading

I use matridge with no-upload/nginx and it works, so I'm not sure

though maybe it's good to avoid using `:` and `%3A` for this reason

what is your nginx config block?

just `root /var/lib/slidge/attachments/`, but `fdfind mxc /var/lib/slidge/attachments/` does not return anything. Huh

> I have seen that there is no more slidcord package on pypi. You can always use the codeberg package, but the the installation with pipx need a little trick; you have to pass the URL of the codeberg repo as the pip argument `extra-repo-url` due to the need of setuptools. yes, because we rely on the https://github.com/dolfies/discord.py-self@master and that's not authorized on pypi.org ↺

I am using alias instead of root, mm

as soon as the maintainer releases discord.py-self v2.1, slidcord will be on PyPI…

was able to "fix" it with a rewrite rule. now to get the images to show properly in movim... but that's not a slidge issue

nicoco: is it possible to invite other xmpp users into the MUCs created by slidge? and yes i assure there's a very legal very cool reason i want to do this.

need a bot in the MUCs for bot things. i don't expect messages to be relayed from it.

No that is not possible

nope, but it's something I want to add, probably before OMEMO :)

it's a bit of work and probably a source of new issues, but I'd like it at some point

> it's a bit of work and probably a source of new issues, but I'd like it at some point 🤔 ↺

Kris: when other XMPP users talk in the group chat, it will look crappy on the non-XMPP side, à la matterbridge

but it's doable…

Yeah, I realized it being a bit like the one sided bot mode of some other bridges. Not great but could have its usecases.

My use case would be to ditch my whatsapp account and squat my partner's, just for the various groups that it would be too annoying not to be part of.

But definitely not my priority for slidge…

mine is to auto-translate messages in a foreign language 🙃

it feels like the slidge codebase is too messy to add such error-prone / security-olé olé features yet

"If you want security, message me on XMPP directly!"

> mine is to auto-translate messages in a foreign language 🙃 That sounds like a cool use-case actually ↺

I wonder if it'd be simpler to have a bot that logs in as an additional client (using your credentials) and interacts with the chat that way?

Would be specific to that one user of course

I don't think it'd be simpler to use, but it is simpler to set something up like that right now than adding the feature to slidge, for sure

i had a bot for doing this when i was bridging whatsapp via matrix. but it had issues with verifying more than one encrypted device.

but yes using the personal xmpp account could work

> i had a bot for doing this when i was bridging whatsapp via matrix. but it had issues with verifying more than one encrypted device. there goes the issues coming from wanting "bridge2end" encryption I guess =) ✏ ↺

> there goes the issues coming from wanting "bridge2end" encryption I guess =) more a problem with the bot framework itself. they implemented encryption, but didn't implement the cross-signing part ↺

I see

this might be fixed by this point. no idea. it's a typescript matrix bot framework.

one part matrix client, one part ollama with an LLM that is good at translate = translate messages by AI democracy

probably needs less democracy by now with better models out. currently the bot guesses the language 3 times and then we pick the language with the most votes

Hm, some bot/AI tickets opened on the Slidge tracker it seems

deuill: I've seen that, it looked like a 2 steps attack on codeberg

step1: open issues with an LLM that almost looks legit, probably by feeding it the README

step2: spam racist messages everywhere possible. 😔

We really need Gitea/Forgejo federation! Should make these sorts of attacks harder to do at scale

how so? wouldn't it make it actually easier to do?

it would make it easier for a git instance to be defederated definitely lol

Yeah haha

some sort of real-time block list could help too, yeah ✏

my sharkey instance pulls down a defederation list every 24 hours that theoretically balances the "ban every instance who does not pass my purity test" people and "ban the crazy racist nazi" instances

i.e. only instances that meet some quorum of being defederated by large instances

something like that will likely emerge once gitea/forgejo federation becomes more possible

> it feels like the slidge codebase is too messy to add such error-prone / security-olé olé features yet 😂 ↺

> "If you want security, message me on XMPP directly!" 👍 ↺

> one part matrix client, one part ollama with an LLM that is good at translate = translate messages by AI democracy Long ago I used https://metacpan.org/pod/Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::TextCat for that ✏ ↺

> my sharkey instance pulls down a defederation list every 24 hours that theoretically balances the "ban every instance who does not pass my purity test" people and "ban the crazy racist nazi" instances Btw, this lists are populated via #fediblock right? Sometimes I want to post some instances there but I don't do afraid that I become a incel target :/

I have two personal accounts and one anon, don't want to burn my cortex account cause of retaliation

> > my sharkey instance pulls down a defederation list every 24 hours that theoretically balances the "ban every instance who does not pass my purity test" people and "ban the crazy racist nazi" instances > Btw, this lists are populated via #fediblock right? Sometimes I want to post some instances there but I don't do afraid that I become a incel target :/ it's not fediblock. But I suppose it originated in that. I forget what it's called. It's something that you can use with fediblockhole. There is an automated thing that produces CSV files of banned domains, and you can choose how ... uhh... lenient you want to be, with how the domain bans are calculated. ↺

Ooh nice, can you get the name later and ping me? I'm trying to understand how can I contribute and be smart at the same time

https://codeberg.org/oliphant/blocklists

seems like things have changed since i last checked this repo lol. no more trust council ✏

nicoco: Hello. Your long absence has made me worried about PM messages (with issues) I sent a couple of days ago. Did you miss them either?

Is the MUC MAM archive still in-memory or is (or can) it stored to the database now?

I get this error when trying to send to a public matrix room. Can receive messages just fine. RoomSendError: M_UNKNOWN Can't send relation to unknown event

Seems to send fine after I sent some messages via matrix

I see slidge repos also got bombarded with fake issues, hope codeberg cleaned them up too

I got an error on slidge-whatsapp, it seems the path of the directory is incorrect : ```Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: File "/home/alberic/.local/bin/slidge-whatsapp", line 5, in <module> Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: from slidge_whatsapp import main Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: File "./.local/share/pipx/venvs/slidge-whatsapp/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge_whatsapp/__init__.py", line 10, in <modul> Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: File "./.local/share/pipx/venvs/slidge-whatsapp/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge_whatsapp/command.py", line 8, in <module> Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: File "./.local/share/pipx/venvs/slidge-whatsapp/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge_whatsapp/generated/whatsapp.py", line 16,> Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/.local/share/pipx/venvs/slidge-whatsapp/lib/python3.11/site-packages/> ```

It fails after a few minutes.

The incrimined code seems to be `currentdir = os.path.dirname(os.path.abspath(inspect.getfile(inspect.currentframe())))`, auto-generated by gopy.

im getting something similar trying to set up sleamdge Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/bin/sleamdge", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) ^^^^^^ File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sleamdge/__init__.py", line 23, in main entrypoint("sleamdge") File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge/__init__.py", line 31, in entrypoint main_func(module_name) File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge/main.py", line 133, in main unknown_argv = configure(from_entrypoint) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge/main.py", line 117, in configure os.makedirs(h) File "<frozen os>", line 215, in makedirs File "<frozen os>", line 215, in makedirs File "<frozen os>", line 225, in makedirs PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib' ✏

im getting something similar trying to set up sleamdge `Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/bin/sleamdge", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) ^^^^^^ File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sleamdge/__init__.py", line 23, in main entrypoint("sleamdge") File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge/__init__.py", line 31, in entrypoint main_func(module_name) File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge/main.py", line 133, in main unknown_argv = configure(from_entrypoint) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^` File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge/main.py", line 117, in configure os.makedirs(h) File "<frozen os>", line 215, in makedirs File "<frozen os>", line 215, in makedirs File "<frozen os>", line 225, in makedirs PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib' ✏

im getting something similar trying to set up sleamdge Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/bin/sleamdge", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) ^^^^^^ File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sleamdge/__init__.py", line 23, in main entrypoint("sleamdge") File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge/__init__.py", line 31, in entrypoint main_func(module_name) File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge/main.py", line 133, in main unknown_argv = configure(from_entrypoint) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge/main.py", line 117, in configure os.makedirs(h) File "<frozen os>", line 215, in makedirs File "<frozen os>", line 215, in makedirs File "<frozen os>", line 225, in makedirs PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib' ✏

handstand: wouldn't that be because the process does not have access to the directory (or maybe its parent directories)?

> handstand: wouldn't that be because the process does not have access to the directory (or maybe its parent directories)? so i actually had messed up in the secret code i had generated and changing it fixed the permissions error. now im getting ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_sqlite3' i admittedly dont know what im doing and this is my first time trying to set up an xmpp server ↺

are you running the slidge-whatsapp process locally?

or in a docker container

im doing sleamdge and its local

module not found means a python dependency is not installed

so you either need to install the python deps from the system pkg manager or use something like virtualenv. presumably the installation guide has a recommendation

im using one of those cloud app hosting services and im wondering if thats why im getting all these permission issues

do you have access to a command line?

yeah i do have ssh access

like, is it a VPS?

there just doesnt appear to be any standard package manager or anything like that

> Is the MUC MAM archive still in-memory or is (or can) it stored to the database now? database ↺

> I get this error when trying to send to a public matrix room. Can receive messages just fine. > > RoomSendError: M_UNKNOWN Can't send relation to unknown event please open an issue, ideally with steps to reproduce and logs… ↺

> like, is it a VPS? i dont think its like a traditional VPS, i think its running in some kind of container ↺

> please open an issue, ideally with steps to reproduce and logs… Logs maybe. Reproduce not entirely sure. My best guess is that it was some event that the client doesn't understand, and it no likey. ↺

> I got an error on slidge-whatsapp, it seems the path of the directory is incorrect : ```Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: Traceback (most recent call last): > Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: File "/home/alberic/.local/bin/slidge-whatsapp", line 5, in <module> > Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: from slidge_whatsapp import main > Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: File "./.local/share/pipx/venvs/slidge-whatsapp/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge_whatsapp/__init__.py", line 10, in <modul> > Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: File "./.local/share/pipx/venvs/slidge-whatsapp/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge_whatsapp/command.py", line 8, in <module> > Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: File "./.local/share/pipx/venvs/slidge-whatsapp/lib/python3.11/site-packages/slidge_whatsapp/generated/whatsapp.py", line 16,> > Apr 24 18:42:23 alberic slidge-whatsapp[75924]: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/.local/share/pipx/venvs/slidge-whatsapp/lib/python3.11/site-packages/> > ``` that is weird, `/.local/` is very unusual, usually pipx installs stuff in `~/.local`. How did you end up there? ↺

> so i actually had messed up in the secret code i had generated and changing it fixed the permissions error. now im getting ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_sqlite3' i admittedly dont know what im doing and this is my first time trying to set up an xmpp server > looks like something got messed up in the installation, try `rm -rf /home/.local/pipx/venvs/sleamdge/` and reinstall with `pipx install sleamdge` maybe? ↺

> No module named '_sqlite3' depending on the distro, you may need to install some python-sqlite-something package, maybe? ✏

> > No module named '_sqlite3' > depending on the distro, you may need to install some python-sqlite-something package, maybe? so ive re-installed sleamdge and i figured out that i do have sqlite installed this is what im getting: ✏ ↺

https://share.2ez.cc/upload/W3eSqEybHayORcI2K1zRa8bT/sleamdge-error

> it's not deeply tested *at all* though, so it may be buggy It does work flawlessly ↺